Our reporter Zhou Hui Intern Mu Yangfen Beijing Report
    How does the Industrial Internet practice in Chinese manufacturing companies?
    Recently, the 21st Century Business Herald reporter interviewed Professor Li Jie, the director of the US Intelligent Maintenance System (IMS) Center and the chief consultant of Tianze Zhiyun. Li Jie also serves as a senior consultant for McKinsey Global. His research focuses on the innovative design of intelligent forecasting technology, products and services based on industrial big data analysis. He has rich practical experience and cooperates with more than 100 companies worldwide. Intelligent and industrial big data R & D and application, also served as Foxconn Industrial Artificial Intelligence General Counsel.
    Li Jie told the 21st Century Economic Reporter that in the long run, the industrial Internet must have demand. It is a sunrise industry. In the short run, it is a problem of business management. It needs to see how the enterprise manages and implements it. At present, Chinese enterprises have conceptual consistency in the field of industrial Internet, but the differences between enterprises are great. In addition, the amount of information in China is too large, affecting the concentration of the company. Everyone feels anxious about the blockchain, AI, etc., and they are afraid of missing something.
    GE's abandonment does not mean the end of the industrial Internet
    "21st Century": According to media reports, GE is planning to sell its digital companies, including the industrial Internet platform Predix, MES software Proficy, and management APM software. You are familiar with GE and domestic Foxconn companies. Many domestic companies use GE as the industry. Internet transformation benchmark, how do you evaluate GE's approach (abandon digital business)?
    Li Jie: The Industrial Internet itself and GE should be separated. GE abandoned the industrial Internet. I think it is because it is losing money. The company has to endure pains. I don't think GE is giving up the end of the industrial Internet industry on behalf of the industrial Internet. This view is wrong. On the contrary, GE gave up the industrial Internet industry, but instead focused on the industry of “egg yolk”. It did a good job of doing products, but now it has made service the main force. This view is wrong. Because GE is a company specializing in egg yolk (making products), it uses protein (service) to increase the value to customers.
    GE can't use the thinking of APP to do industry, industry and service industry. From this point of view, GE's basic thinking is wrong. You can't use the concept of mobile social and life APP in industry. Relative to social and life apps, people's life needs are common, but industry is more complicated and diverse.
    "21st Century": What do you think is the essential role of the Industrial Internet for industrial development?
    Li Jie: The slow formation of the industrial Internet has accelerated the industry's understanding of data. With the industrial Internet, it is possible to generate and collect industrial data, such as excavator data, aircraft landing rate, etc., the source of data increases and accelerates. Our understanding of industrial manufacturing is conducive to reducing costs and reducing deposits. In addition, industrial interconnection has produced a data-relational industry; at the same time, it has further recognized the problems in industrial manufacturing.
    "Two-in-one integration" Chinese enterprises have great differences in practice
    "21st Century": At what stage is the industrial Internet we are pushing, relative to the United States and Japan?
    Li Jie: In the industrial field, Japanese craftsmen solved the quality problem. German craftsmen solved the physical problems, and American craftsmen solved the essential problems.
    Japan pays attention to cultivating talents, paying attention to the spirit of craftsmen, workers are not mobile, and paying attention to lifelong system. Enterprises are also more willing to train workers. German Industry 4.0, because the corporate crisis awareness is relatively strong, pay attention to the use of industrial equipment to change society, the United States pays attention to technology to change the world, the government does not need to push, the enterprise itself to do, the United States has technology to change the DNA of society.
    Many of China's technology advancement, many things are promoted from the top down, the government first issued an industrial policy, white papers, and then opened many conferences; foreign governments also have slogans, but companies still do their own things, the government does not have " "Sugar" (funding policy welfare) can be sown, the government does not "list the enterprise" or "tree benchmarking enterprise", and has less impact on the enterprise.
    The introduction of informationization and integration in China is the importance of promoting Chinese enterprises to a high degree of understanding. However, it does not mean that China's industry can now achieve informationization and integration. Chinese companies are highly differentiated. Although they all share a common slogan, Chinese companies are conceptually consistent in terms of “integration of the two industries”, but they are inconsistent in their actions. Some companies have done a good job, but some small businesses have not even connected to the Internet.
    "21st Century": Does this mean that the practice of China's industrial Internet is still very basic? What advice do you have for this?
    Li Jie: To promote the industrial Internet, first of all, enterprises must have knowledge. In addition, enterprises understand their own needs and then act. China is right in promoting the direction of informationization, integration and intelligence. However, in terms of specific practices, we cannot let the government take care of the money. The company follows the baton of the government’s money and goes to the meeting every day, but it The company does not know what to do.
    “It is not necessary for China's manufacturing industry to fully study Industry 4.0”
    "21st Century": Chinese enterprises have demand, such as Foxconn and Sany are very active to meet the industrial Internet. The government is also facing the pressure of manufacturing transformation. You are a smart industry consultant for Foxconn. What do you think are the problems in the specific practice of the company?
    Li Jie: China's manufacturing industry is faced with three problems, the essential issues, the physical problems, and the quality issues. The essential question determines what you want to do, why you want to do it; physical problems, do well, improve quality and efficiency, reduce costs, quality problems, human management, equipment platform, data collection.
    Judging from these three issues, China must first solve the problem of quality. It is not a matter of people to decide where the data is. This is a big step in integrating the Chinese enterprise revolution, because it cannot be managed uniformly when informationization is asymmetrical. (The first point is information symmetry). The second is the constitutional problem, which is management symmetry. The problem with Chinese factory management now is that I call it an uneven system and it is difficult to form a management concept. For China's manufacturing industry, it is not necessary for everyone to study Industry 4.0 and the Industrial Internet, and there is no need to do digital and artificial intelligence; therefore, there should be a recognition that my industry is suitable for doing things, not for others. I also follow suit.
    Nowadays, the amount of information about Chinese companies is too large, which affects the concentration of enterprises. Everyone feels anxious about blockchain, AI, etc., and they are afraid of missing something. The third essential issue is that companies should focus on “yolks”.
    I have seen some hidden concerns from the data of some domestic industrial Internet industries. First, everyone regards the definition of manufacturing systems in Germany, Japan and the United States as the basic line of China. This is wrong, whether it is MES or ERP, the system of Chinese industry. Unlike others, he should have his own set of practices and there is no need to take the route of Germany and Japan.
    "21st Century": There are many definitions of what the industrial Internet is. Internet giants including BAT and China are also participating in a piece of the pie. What do you think of the role played by different types of companies in the market cake of Industrial Internet. What is the main platform for Tianze Zhiyun's platform that you are returning to?
    Li Jie: The ABCDEs I emphasize in the Industrial Internet are AI (Artificial Intelligence), Big Data, Cloud Domain Knowledge and Evidence. Among them, BAT is doing ABC, the real economy is doing DE; like the real economy such as Foxconn, Haier, Huawei, etc., what they have to do is to be independent and good at the world, first manage their own factories and put their own factories. Serve others as a model. At present, the Tianze Zhiyun platform we are doing in China is doing D and E, and using professional methods to build efficient solutions.